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Monday, April 1, 2013

Thoughts on TWD Finale

Spoilers, obviously.

From the looks of comments on various sites, many people were disappointed in and/or didn't like the finale. Of course, many people did like the finale, but usually those who complain are louder or more vocal.

I am one of those people who did like the finale, at least for the most part.  I usually share my thoughts scattered throughout and at the end of my recaps, but I decided to have a separate post for this.

Where to begin, where to begin.

I guess we can start with Andrea.  I am so incredibly sad that she's dead.  Like I said in my recap, I actually gasped, like a big dramatic gasp like TV characters do when they watch TV, when she revealed she was bitten.  I thought she was going to live and they were just building up the drama by not showing anything.  Her story really is quite tragic.  She didn't want anyone to die; she wanted peace.  But she had so many opportunities to kill The Governor.  And because she didn't, she's dead, not to mention all those people who The Governor massacred.  Which is why I find her death so tragic.  T-Dog heroically went out saving Carol.  Lori's death was also extremely sad, but her death came with life, i.e. Judith.  Everyone has long forgotten about Oscar, but he wasn't that important anyway.  Hell, Merle went out with a bang in a heroic stand giving his brother and the group a better chance.  But for Andrea, all those people did die.  The one thing is that her real group- did not die, but that really didn't have too much to do with her.  Of course, there's the whole debate about hero vs.martyr, and bla bla bla, but I won't get into that.

But what bothers me, and I'm sure so many others, is that she kept stopping to talk or just straight up stare at Milton instead of working to get the pliers and break free.  And I'm supposed to believe that The Governor is able round up his army, attack and search the prison, fail, flee, slaughter his army, and Rick is able to regroup, chat up his everyone, talk to Carl, save Karen, and enter Woodbury ALL before Andrea is able to break free?  That makes absolutely no sense and nearly ruins it.  But Andrew being able to survive and then orchestrate that whole intricate Walker invasion thing back in the "Killer Within" when he had absolutely no experience with walkers and didn't even know about them until Rick found him, didn't make sense either.  Neither did The Governor being able to survive all those walkers AND being able to catch up with Andrea at the right moment in "Prey."

I'm just sad that we're never going to get to see Andrea become more like her comic book character

Now on to Milton.  For a supposedly smart guy, he was pretty stupid.  What did he think The Governor was going to do after Milton scorched the walkers.  He should have done something more useful.  Like kill The Governor when he had the chance.

I know many people, including the characters, were quick to criticize Carl, but he had good points.  He seemed to be the only one to acknowledge the fact that these people were ready to kill every last one of them.  They told that kid to drop his weapon.  He didn't.  He claimed he was going to hand over his weapon, but he could have easily struck Carl instead and started shooting.  The kid had at least a few feet on Carl.  That kid should have dropped his weapon like he was told.  You can see Carl think about it before he did it.

I'm conflicted about The Governor.

 I wanted him to die. Hard. With A Vengeance.  And no one thought to shoot back instead of running?  And as far as I'm concerned Martinez and Shumpert (yep, that's the other guy's name) need to go too.  They could have stopped him.  They were in shock, but still.  And I understand why they went with him.  Where are they supposed to go.?  And I kind of wanted to move on from The Governor.  Part of me was getting tired of him and how long can he really live for.

But the other part of me understands.  It's so obvious to have him die in the finale, and by keeping him alive past this season, they are preventing from going that root where there's a main villain each season who dies in the finale.

But I'm just mad that nobody went after him after they got to Woodbury.

I'm interested in seeing where we start off timewise next season.  Will they let us see things right from the end of the finale, or will they do a time jump, whether short or long?

This picture makes everything better


I know people are reading these!  Comment!  I would love to get a good discussion going.

"Welcome to the Tombs" The Walking Dead S3 Ep 16 Recap


Spoilers, obviously.



We start off with a close up of an eye, Lost style.  The Governor is beating up Milton for burning the walkers.  I guess it took an extra episode or so for The Governor to do something about it.   He tells Milton that "It's time for him to graduate."  But he ain't getting a diploma.   Milton asks him, "What would your daughter think?"  Answer: "She'd be afraid of me", but if he was like this from the start, she’d be alive.

Milton asks if he killed Andrea.  The Gov decides to show, rather than tell, and throws him into the torture workshop where she has been cuffed to a dentist's chair.  He announces that he is going to the prison to kill them all.  He orders Milton to collect the tools.  Milton gets them but leaves pliers on the floor behind Andrea.  The Governor tells him to kill her now. No way he’s leaving this room without doing it. He turns around and tries to kill The Governor, but nope. The Governor saw it coming, counters, and stabs Milton.  It was a pretty weak attempt.  Now he's going to die and come back and tear the flesh from her bones. The Governor proclaims, "In this life now you kill or you die.   Or you die and you kill.”  Sounds just like a Hallmark Card!

Shiny
Carl is packing up.  He looks at the family photo Michonne helped him get and puts it in a bag, along with a mixtape for Beth.  He has Rick’s sheriff badge, which is pretty shiny.  First Glenn's engagement ring to Maggie, now the badge, there definitely has to be a few bottles of polish around.   Carl's all mad, and I don't know why.  At first, I thought he was mad about Rick almost betraying Michonne, but later I think it was because he wasn't allowed to fight with the group at the prison.  As they pack up the cars outside, Rick tells Glenn, Carl is still a kid; it's easy to forget. 

Daryl and Carol share a brief moment outside, which involves hand holding (!) albeit it was more or less Carol helping Daryl up.  Daryl and everyone else knows what Merle did, which I'm really happy about.  I'm glad they know that he helped.  And it probably did really help.  Merle took out some of their "real" soldiers (and Ben).

Michonne is surprisingly really understanding of Rick almost handing her over to The Governor. She thanks Rick for taking her in. Rick tells her it was Carl that made the call; he said she belonged here and was "one of us."

Before they all take off, Rick sees a vision of prego Lori happily rubbing her belly.

At Woodbury, The Governor is in full on demagogue mode and is stirring the makeshift army up. "They’re not going to stop until they kill us all."  Tyrese bravely tells The Governor that he and Sasha aren't going to fight other people.  They will stay here and protect the children, or whatever.  The Governor probably does everything to prevent himself from killing them and thanks them (almost deadpan like).

The Governor and his "army"  drive through the prison.  They blow up the guard tower. Take out the walkers in yard. Whatever happened to The Governor's rule about now wasting bullets?  Spikes take out  the wheels of one of the gun trunks. They blow up the other tower because they can. I don't really get who all these people are.  I didn't recognize too many faces of the extras, and I didn't see any of the adolescent's like Karen's asthmatic Noah, but they still seemed to have a lot of people.

The Governor and the Woodbury army enter C block, but its empty.  Gov walks past a cell, then goes back to pick up a bible with John 5:29 (which I only know because I googled it) highlighted.   How was he able to see that?  I'm supposed to believe that one eyed Governor was able to walk past a dark cell and see a small bible in the corner?


Milton isn't dead yet.  He tells Andrea about the pliers behind her. If she drags her foot she can get them.  He instructs her, " You are going to find something very sharp, and you are going to stab me in the head."  Wise words.  Maybe it's a proverb.

The Woodburian army is searching the tombs.  Smoke grenades or something goes off, alarms start, and they all start freaking out.  They run out.  Glen and Maggie, who are actually wearing the gear for once (thank you!), start firing, but it looks like it was more to scare them away because they weren't really shooting at anybody, more like, near them.  The Woodburians drives off. Glen takes off helmet, and I got scared that it was going to be like the that guy in the opening of Saving Private Ryan who gets shot right after he takes off his helmet, but all's good.

A young/teenage guy from the Woodburian army, whose name, I learned from The Talking Dead, was  Jody, runs into Carl, Herhsel, and Beth in the woods.  They point their guns at each other.  Hershel tells him to drop it. He says he will and that he is going to hand it over, but still hasn't. Carl shoots.

Uhhh, what if The Governor had guys attack from the woods?  What would have happened then?

They regroup. Beth and Judith are wearing matching hats heh. 
Carl tells Rick he is coming to Woodbury and that he took out one of the soldiers, that’s what he was there for. Hershel tells Rick that the kid was handing the gun over.   Hershel tells him Carl did not have to shoot. "He gunned that kid down."

Gov wants his fleeing army to pull over.  He drives in front of them to stop. 
They don’t want to fight.  They aren't soldiers. They can keep the prison.  Gov loses it.  Man, he's a sore loser.  I wouldn't ever want to play Risk or anything with him, but that may be more of Milton's game.  He starts shooting his own people.  Allen points his gun at The Governor, but does nothing. Gov shoots him. Martinez and other guy Shumpert look like they don’t know what to do, but don't stop him.  

Gov walks over and starts shooting bodies.  Karen is hiding under one that the Governor actually doesn't shoot.  Looks like he’s taking a road trip with Martinez and other guy.  Well you know what they say, if at first you don't succeed, massacre your makeshift army and drive into the sunset with your henchmen.

Andrea is still trying to get the pliers. Using her perfectly pretty pedicured feet (Wow, Woodbury has everything!) she tries to pick up the pliers.  She keeps freaken stopping to see if Milton is still alive.  She drops them. Eventually she gets them in her hands and starts using them on the cuffs, but stops AGAIN to look at Milton. 

Rick, Michonne, and Daryl are getting ready to go to Woodbury.

Rick goes to talk to Carl about the boy he shot.  
"Was he handing it over?" 
 "He just attacked us." 
"Yes he had."
"Was he handing it over?" 
Carl explains that he couldn't take the chance.  He didn't kill the walker that killed Dale, Rick didn't kill Andrew, he came back and (more or less) killed mom (and T-Dog).  Rick let the Governor go and he came back and killed Merle. "Now go, so he doesn’t kill anymore of us". Carl totally Lawyered Rick.  He drops the sherrifs button. 

"Carl, tell me what to do."